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		<title>By: R.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrrgg. Beats head into desk. Strait = straight LOL! 

Glad you like the 7-10 rule. As a physicist, you would totally understand the relationship of how hot (decay rate) something is to its half-life. And yes, a wooden frame single dwelling structure would not cut it no matter how much duct tape and plastic was used. (well only if you wrapped the house to a depth of 40 feet or so I guess. :-))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrgg. Beats head into desk. Strait = straight LOL! </p>
<p>Glad you like the 7-10 rule. As a physicist, you would totally understand the relationship of how hot (decay rate) something is to its half-life. And yes, a wooden frame single dwelling structure would not cut it no matter how much duct tape and plastic was used. (well only if you wrapped the house to a depth of 40 feet or so I guess. <img src='http://granades.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! Thanks for the info. Especially the 7/10 rule -- that&#039;s a handy rule of thumb.

It wasn&#039;t plastic sheeting &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; that I was so annoyed by, but by them tacking it on the windows and doors and saying, &quot;Hey, we&#039;re fine now.&quot; As you point out, you need shelter from the gamma rays, and being above ground in a regular house won&#039;t help you much there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! Thanks for the info. Especially the 7/10 rule &#8212; that&#8217;s a handy rule of thumb.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t plastic sheeting <i>per se</i> that I was so annoyed by, but by them tacking it on the windows and doors and saying, &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;re fine now.&#8221; As you point out, you need shelter from the gamma rays, and being above ground in a regular house won&#8217;t help you much there.</p>
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		<title>By: R.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plastic sheeting is not a &quot;wrong&quot; idea. I used to be a DP (Disaster Preparedness - NBC type) officer in the USAF during the cold war. 

Yes, you have to shield from Gamma however, even a shelter structure with a 90-degree bend from the open end will do just fine since gamma is basically a very high-energy photon and propagates in a strait line. But you will need the sheeting to prevent the fallout from blowing into your survival space. 

You also need to protect from the far lees energetic beta and alpha. Yes skin stops alpha, but if you leave it on the skin you get alpha burns. This is another reason to use sheeting to keep the stuff out of your survival space.

There are actually two things that do the trick in defense against fallout; shielding, (dirt and concrete being the most expedient) and distance (air gap).  Why the center of large structures such as office buildings would make due for an emergency shelter.

Also you only need to stay in your shelter for about 2 weeks max. There is something called the 7-10 rule for fallout. Since it is so “hot” (that means the isotopes are decaying rapidly) for every seven time periods since the event radiation levels from fallout is divided by ten. E.g., one hour -&gt; seven hours -&gt; 49 hours -&gt; two weeks equals roughly 1000th of the initial radiation at the first hour. This decreases fallout to unshielded survivable levels (other than hotspots) in the surrounding environment. 

Side note – a really basic EMP protection device is water. Take your emergency radios, solar panels, and or other stuff you need to protect (don’t forget an extra alternator for your mechanical ignition vehicle) put them in a water tight metal “can” and sink them in 15 feet of water (a swimming pool would work in a pinch). 

Sorry for the long post – its been a while since I pontificated on this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plastic sheeting is not a &#8220;wrong&#8221; idea. I used to be a DP (Disaster Preparedness &#8211; NBC type) officer in the USAF during the cold war. </p>
<p>Yes, you have to shield from Gamma however, even a shelter structure with a 90-degree bend from the open end will do just fine since gamma is basically a very high-energy photon and propagates in a strait line. But you will need the sheeting to prevent the fallout from blowing into your survival space. </p>
<p>You also need to protect from the far lees energetic beta and alpha. Yes skin stops alpha, but if you leave it on the skin you get alpha burns. This is another reason to use sheeting to keep the stuff out of your survival space.</p>
<p>There are actually two things that do the trick in defense against fallout; shielding, (dirt and concrete being the most expedient) and distance (air gap).  Why the center of large structures such as office buildings would make due for an emergency shelter.</p>
<p>Also you only need to stay in your shelter for about 2 weeks max. There is something called the 7-10 rule for fallout. Since it is so “hot” (that means the isotopes are decaying rapidly) for every seven time periods since the event radiation levels from fallout is divided by ten. E.g., one hour -&gt; seven hours -&gt; 49 hours -&gt; two weeks equals roughly 1000th of the initial radiation at the first hour. This decreases fallout to unshielded survivable levels (other than hotspots) in the surrounding environment. </p>
<p>Side note – a really basic EMP protection device is water. Take your emergency radios, solar panels, and or other stuff you need to protect (don’t forget an extra alternator for your mechanical ignition vehicle) put them in a water tight metal “can” and sink them in 15 feet of water (a swimming pool would work in a pinch). </p>
<p>Sorry for the long post – its been a while since I pontificated on this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fudge Factor, or,&#8221;How Much Can I Get Away With Before My Audience Deserts Me?&#8221; &#171; joe clifford faust dot com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fudge Factor, or,&#8221;How Much Can I Get Away With Before My Audience Deserts Me?&#8221; &#171; joe clifford faust dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] started the ball rolling when he sent me this link to a blog wherein a physicist nitpicks the goings-on in a new TV series called [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My half-arsed, hand-waving understanding is:

Alpha particles are the most dangerous, but penetrate poorly.  Gamma rays penetrate well, but do less damage.  The only way the alpha particles can do much damage is if you inhale or ingest them.  So sealing the house isn&#039;t a terrible idea.

A better way to explain it is to pass off most of the bad science as bad science from the townsfolk (although I can understand this frustrating a lot of people).  After they emerged from their shelters, the Geiger counters weren&#039;t showing any radiation, so I assumed that there wasn&#039;t any fallout carried by the bombs.  It was more about the paranoia and terror of the townsfolk.

If you&#039;re curious about these things, I&#039;d also recommend reading about the downwinders in Utah.

Oh, and watch &quot;When the wind blows&quot; too.  It&#039;s ace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My half-arsed, hand-waving understanding is:</p>
<p>Alpha particles are the most dangerous, but penetrate poorly.  Gamma rays penetrate well, but do less damage.  The only way the alpha particles can do much damage is if you inhale or ingest them.  So sealing the house isn&#8217;t a terrible idea.</p>
<p>A better way to explain it is to pass off most of the bad science as bad science from the townsfolk (although I can understand this frustrating a lot of people).  After they emerged from their shelters, the Geiger counters weren&#8217;t showing any radiation, so I assumed that there wasn&#8217;t any fallout carried by the bombs.  It was more about the paranoia and terror of the townsfolk.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re curious about these things, I&#8217;d also recommend reading about the downwinders in Utah.</p>
<p>Oh, and watch &#8220;When the wind blows&#8221; too.  It&#8217;s ace!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rae,

Hawkins&#039;s claim about what fusion bombs do was clearly not a case to show what average citizens think. The show took great pains to set up Hawkins as a character who knows what he&#039;s talking about and is hyper-competent. To turn around and have him spout nonsense about nuclear weapons undercuts that. That makes his dialog fail both factually &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; dramatically. But nice try! Also, you might want to look up what a double entendre is, since you don&#039;t even seem to have a single one in your rant.

I&#039;d also love to hear your take on my assessment of Stanley&#039;s iodine swigging. From the logic you&#039;ve displayed so far, I imagine your explanation will be extremely entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rae,</p>
<p>Hawkins&#8217;s claim about what fusion bombs do was clearly not a case to show what average citizens think. The show took great pains to set up Hawkins as a character who knows what he&#8217;s talking about and is hyper-competent. To turn around and have him spout nonsense about nuclear weapons undercuts that. That makes his dialog fail both factually <i>and</i> dramatically. But nice try! Also, you might want to look up what a double entendre is, since you don&#8217;t even seem to have a single one in your rant.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also love to hear your take on my assessment of Stanley&#8217;s iodine swigging. From the logic you&#8217;ve displayed so far, I imagine your explanation will be extremely entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how people nit pick at the WRONG things completely missing the point of everything. 
    First off, Jericho is an EXCELLENT drama illustrating various moral dilemmas when people are faced with a complete upturn in their normal social/politcal society.  Much like the movie, RED DAWN was in the 80&#039;s--same concept. Second, your main nit pick on the comment from the show about the type of bomb that was used in Denver.  Obviously that was to enlighten people to how ignorant the average citizen is about nuclear physics, not to TEACH it. Being hyper critical of a show on that particular issue from someone who CLAIMS TO BE a physicist well...is not very smart. As I stated the dialog in the show had greater signigicance than your superficial view point.  And yes, that was meant to be a double entendre as well. Third, the matter of protection from beta and gamma radiation was a point clearly made in the show without using those exact words.  The main characters tried to convince the towns people to not hang out in a borded up house but to actually get in the basement. Did most people listen-NO. Must the show go on-YES. And don&#039;t get me started on your assessment the character Stanley drinking the iodine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how people nit pick at the WRONG things completely missing the point of everything.<br />
    First off, Jericho is an EXCELLENT drama illustrating various moral dilemmas when people are faced with a complete upturn in their normal social/politcal society.  Much like the movie, RED DAWN was in the 80&#8242;s&#8211;same concept. Second, your main nit pick on the comment from the show about the type of bomb that was used in Denver.  Obviously that was to enlighten people to how ignorant the average citizen is about nuclear physics, not to TEACH it. Being hyper critical of a show on that particular issue from someone who CLAIMS TO BE a physicist well&#8230;is not very smart. As I stated the dialog in the show had greater signigicance than your superficial view point.  And yes, that was meant to be a double entendre as well. Third, the matter of protection from beta and gamma radiation was a point clearly made in the show without using those exact words.  The main characters tried to convince the towns people to not hang out in a borded up house but to actually get in the basement. Did most people listen-NO. Must the show go on-YES. And don&#8217;t get me started on your assessment the character Stanley drinking the iodine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Qualities of Experience and Logical Consistency &#171; Live Granades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qualities of Experience and Logical Consistency &#171; Live Granades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When a show engages me, I glide right past plot holes. I&#8217;m actively participating in keeping my belief suspended. As I stop being engaged, though, I become more and more annoyed by inconsistencies. Eventually I reach the point of kicking holes in the story&#8217;s walls out of frustration and grumbling about its of physics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When a show engages me, I glide right past plot holes. I&#8217;m actively participating in keeping my belief suspended. As I stop being engaged, though, I become more and more annoyed by inconsistencies. Eventually I reach the point of kicking holes in the story&#8217;s walls out of frustration and grumbling about its of physics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, yes. They do seem to be headed in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, yes. They do seem to be headed in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Tab Hunter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy it is as I feared, after this last (9th) episode it looks like Jericho is turning into a 21st century Wild Wild West Horse Opera.
Wonder when Clint Eastwood will show up with his six shooters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy it is as I feared, after this last (9th) episode it looks like Jericho is turning into a 21st century Wild Wild West Horse Opera.<br />
Wonder when Clint Eastwood will show up with his six shooters?</p>
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