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		<title>By: Scoop Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scoop Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Harlan Ellison groping Connie Willis...

He now says he did no such thing.

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Harlan Ellison groping Connie Willis&#8230;</p>
<p>He now says he did no such thing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show" rel="nofollow">http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, okay.  See, I guess that, when I think Caucasian, I&#039;m really thinking an American of Western European descent.

Admittedly, I&#039;m Irish, Welsh, English, Scotch, and nothing else.  Oh wait, 1/64 Cherokee.  But ... yep.

I thought about becoming Baptist just so my inability to dance would be forever unknown to the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, okay.  See, I guess that, when I think Caucasian, I&#8217;m really thinking an American of Western European descent.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I&#8217;m Irish, Welsh, English, Scotch, and nothing else.  Oh wait, 1/64 Cherokee.  But &#8230; yep.</p>
<p>I thought about becoming Baptist just so my inability to dance would be forever unknown to the world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep. I did the hand calculation from the 2000 US census numbers, but it turns out &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Racial_groups&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&#039;s already done it for us&lt;/a&gt; with the 2005 numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep. I did the hand calculation from the 2000 US census numbers, but it turns out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Racial_groups" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia&#8217;s already done it for us</a> with the 2005 numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll hope for it with you, but I just don&#039;t expect it.  I had sexual harrassment avoidance training at work last week, and as I sat in there, I remarked on just how white male skewed my workplace is.

&lt;hr /&gt;

Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?  I didn&#039;t think it was that high.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly.  That&#039;s a big problem that I can&#039;t even begin to think of how you solve.  The issue is in building levels of trust, and man ... is that ever hard to do societally.

&lt;hr /&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t see a bias where I work, but I’m in administration (which seems typically female)…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that&#039;s an issue, too, at some level.    I&#039;m not so naïve to think that there aren&#039;t some gender-based tendencies that make females strong in such roles, but it always worry me in business that we mentally chalk such things up to &quot;woman&#039;s work&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll hope for it with you, but I just don&#8217;t expect it.  I had sexual harrassment avoidance training at work last week, and as I sat in there, I remarked on just how white male skewed my workplace is.</p>
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<p>Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?  I didn&#8217;t think it was that high.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly.  That&#8217;s a big problem that I can&#8217;t even begin to think of how you solve.  The issue is in building levels of trust, and man &#8230; is that ever hard to do societally.</p>
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<blockquote><p>I don’t see a bias where I work, but I’m in administration (which seems typically female)…</p></blockquote>
<p>And that&#8217;s an issue, too, at some level.    I&#8217;m not so naïve to think that there aren&#8217;t some gender-based tendencies that make females strong in such roles, but it always worry me in business that we mentally chalk such things up to &#8220;woman&#8217;s work&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One SciFi book that dealt with racism is by Sharon Shinn &quot;Heart of Gold&quot;.  A series with some cultural diversity (different races - the Marat, the Canim, and the Icemen - who&#039;ve been at war with the Alerans) is by Jim Butcher &quot;Codex Alera&quot;.  I&#039;ll have to go through &amp; read through the links you posted...

I don&#039;t see a bias where I work, but I&#039;m in administration (which seems typically female)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One SciFi book that dealt with racism is by Sharon Shinn &#8220;Heart of Gold&#8221;.  A series with some cultural diversity (different races &#8211; the Marat, the Canim, and the Icemen &#8211; who&#8217;ve been at war with the Alerans) is by Jim Butcher &#8220;Codex Alera&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll have to go through &amp; read through the links you posted&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a bias where I work, but I&#8217;m in administration (which seems typically female)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To round off the tangent, here are the percentages from the study, with the percentages of the group as part of the population.

White: 88.8% (75%)
Black: 8% (12.3%)
Asian/Pacific Islanders: 2.8% (3.8%)

In terms of ethnicity, 5.6% in the trials were Hispanic, versus 12.5%. All data taken from the 2000 US Census.

There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To round off the tangent, here are the percentages from the study, with the percentages of the group as part of the population.</p>
<p>White: 88.8% (75%)<br />
Black: 8% (12.3%)<br />
Asian/Pacific Islanders: 2.8% (3.8%)</p>
<p>In terms of ethnicity, 5.6% in the trials were Hispanic, versus 12.5%. All data taken from the 2000 US Census.</p>
<p>There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We talked about this for a couple of hours last night before Stephen wrote the post. A lot of it dealt with what I&#039;ve experienced in the workplace as a women in the south doing technical work. There&#039;s definitely still a bias out there. It may not be as extreme as it was 15 or 20 years ago but it&#039;s still out there. Unfortunately, in my experience, almost entirely with older white males.

It&#039;s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We talked about this for a couple of hours last night before Stephen wrote the post. A lot of it dealt with what I&#8217;ve experienced in the workplace as a women in the south doing technical work. There&#8217;s definitely still a bias out there. It may not be as extreme as it was 15 or 20 years ago but it&#8217;s still out there. Unfortunately, in my experience, almost entirely with older white males.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 11:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was coming here to note how enlightened I am this morning, going, &quot;What&#039;s wrong with 11% of the population of clinical trials being black?  That&#039;s about the percentage of blacks in the general population.&quot;

And then I slapped myself, because you said 88.8% white, and I did the mental math while ignoring &lt;em&gt;every single other minority out there&lt;/em&gt;.  I want to blame it on a lack of wakefulness, or perhaps environment, but ... neither is terribly satisfying.  :sigh:

There&#039;s selection bias, I&#039;d expect, in the number of minorities who get into medical trials because of wealth and healthcare access disparities.  I&#039;m fine with slicing such data along racial lines in an effort to make sure that underserved groups get treatment and study---there&#039;s enough data to suggest that race has enough genetic difference to affect how diseases operate---but I&#039;d be almost as concerned that poor Americans of any ethnic background are underserved as a rule.  But then I&#039;m one of those pesky people trying to figure out a way to nationalize healthcare without wrecking the system any more than it already is.

[And yes, I&#039;m off on a tangent.  Sorry.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was coming here to note how enlightened I am this morning, going, &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with 11% of the population of clinical trials being black?  That&#8217;s about the percentage of blacks in the general population.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then I slapped myself, because you said 88.8% white, and I did the mental math while ignoring <em>every single other minority out there</em>.  I want to blame it on a lack of wakefulness, or perhaps environment, but &#8230; neither is terribly satisfying.  :sigh:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s selection bias, I&#8217;d expect, in the number of minorities who get into medical trials because of wealth and healthcare access disparities.  I&#8217;m fine with slicing such data along racial lines in an effort to make sure that underserved groups get treatment and study&#8212;there&#8217;s enough data to suggest that race has enough genetic difference to affect how diseases operate&#8212;but I&#8217;d be almost as concerned that poor Americans of any ethnic background are underserved as a rule.  But then I&#8217;m one of those pesky people trying to figure out a way to nationalize healthcare without wrecking the system any more than it already is.</p>
<p>[And yes, I'm off on a tangent.  Sorry.]</p>
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