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		<title>By: Scoop Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scoop Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Harlan Ellison groping Connie Willis...

He now says he did no such thing.

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Harlan Ellison groping Connie Willis&#8230;</p>
<p>He now says he did no such thing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show" rel="nofollow">http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, okay.  See, I guess that, when I think Caucasian, I'm really thinking an American of Western European descent.

Admittedly, I'm Irish, Welsh, English, Scotch, and nothing else.  Oh wait, 1/64 Cherokee.  But ... yep.

I thought about becoming Baptist just so my inability to dance would be forever unknown to the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, okay.  See, I guess that, when I think Caucasian, I&#8217;m really thinking an American of Western European descent.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I&#8217;m Irish, Welsh, English, Scotch, and nothing else.  Oh wait, 1/64 Cherokee.  But &#8230; yep.</p>
<p>I thought about becoming Baptist just so my inability to dance would be forever unknown to the world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep. I did the hand calculation from the 2000 US census numbers, but it turns out &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Racial_groups" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia's already done it for us&lt;/a&gt; with the 2005 numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep. I did the hand calculation from the 2000 US census numbers, but it turns out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Racial_groups" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia&#8217;s already done it for us</a> with the 2005 numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'll hope for it with you, but I just don't expect it.  I had sexual harrassment avoidance training at work last week, and as I sat in there, I remarked on just how white male skewed my workplace is.

&lt;hr /&gt;

Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?  I didn't think it was that high.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly.  That's a big problem that I can't even begin to think of how you solve.  The issue is in building levels of trust, and man ... is that ever hard to do societally.

&lt;hr /&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t see a bias where I work, but I’m in administration (which seems typically female)…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that's an issue, too, at some level.    I'm not so naïve to think that there aren't some gender-based tendencies that make females strong in such roles, but it always worry me in business that we mentally chalk such things up to "woman's work".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll hope for it with you, but I just don&#8217;t expect it.  I had sexual harrassment avoidance training at work last week, and as I sat in there, I remarked on just how white male skewed my workplace is.</p>
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<p>Stephen, are whites really 75% of the US population?  I didn&#8217;t think it was that high.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly.  That&#8217;s a big problem that I can&#8217;t even begin to think of how you solve.  The issue is in building levels of trust, and man &#8230; is that ever hard to do societally.</p>
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<blockquote><p>I don’t see a bias where I work, but I’m in administration (which seems typically female)…</p></blockquote>
<p>And that&#8217;s an issue, too, at some level.    I&#8217;m not so naïve to think that there aren&#8217;t some gender-based tendencies that make females strong in such roles, but it always worry me in business that we mentally chalk such things up to &#8220;woman&#8217;s work&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One SciFi book that dealt with racism is by Sharon Shinn "Heart of Gold".  A series with some cultural diversity (different races - the Marat, the Canim, and the Icemen - who've been at war with the Alerans) is by Jim Butcher "Codex Alera".  I'll have to go through &#38; read through the links you posted...

I don't see a bias where I work, but I'm in administration (which seems typically female)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One SciFi book that dealt with racism is by Sharon Shinn &#8220;Heart of Gold&#8221;.  A series with some cultural diversity (different races - the Marat, the Canim, and the Icemen - who&#8217;ve been at war with the Alerans) is by Jim Butcher &#8220;Codex Alera&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll have to go through &amp; read through the links you posted&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a bias where I work, but I&#8217;m in administration (which seems typically female)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To round off the tangent, here are the percentages from the study, with the percentages of the group as part of the population.

White: 88.8% (75%)
Black: 8% (12.3%)
Asian/Pacific Islanders: 2.8% (3.8%)

In terms of ethnicity, 5.6% in the trials were Hispanic, versus 12.5%. All data taken from the 2000 US Census.

There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To round off the tangent, here are the percentages from the study, with the percentages of the group as part of the population.</p>
<p>White: 88.8% (75%)<br />
Black: 8% (12.3%)<br />
Asian/Pacific Islanders: 2.8% (3.8%)</p>
<p>In terms of ethnicity, 5.6% in the trials were Hispanic, versus 12.5%. All data taken from the 2000 US Census.</p>
<p>There are genetic differences, but there are also cultural differences that can keep some folks from getting good treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We talked about this for a couple of hours last night before Stephen wrote the post. A lot of it dealt with what I've experienced in the workplace as a women in the south doing technical work. There's definitely still a bias out there. It may not be as extreme as it was 15 or 20 years ago but it's still out there. Unfortunately, in my experience, almost entirely with older white males.

It's really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We talked about this for a couple of hours last night before Stephen wrote the post. A lot of it dealt with what I&#8217;ve experienced in the workplace as a women in the south doing technical work. There&#8217;s definitely still a bias out there. It may not be as extreme as it was 15 or 20 years ago but it&#8217;s still out there. Unfortunately, in my experience, almost entirely with older white males.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really my hope that when Liza is my age, this sort of problem really will be a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 11:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was coming here to note how enlightened I am this morning, going, "What's wrong with 11% of the population of clinical trials being black?  That's about the percentage of blacks in the general population."

And then I slapped myself, because you said 88.8% white, and I did the mental math while ignoring &lt;em&gt;every single other minority out there&lt;/em&gt;.  I want to blame it on a lack of wakefulness, or perhaps environment, but ... neither is terribly satisfying.  :sigh:

There's selection bias, I'd expect, in the number of minorities who get into medical trials because of wealth and healthcare access disparities.  I'm fine with slicing such data along racial lines in an effort to make sure that underserved groups get treatment and study---there's enough data to suggest that race has enough genetic difference to affect how diseases operate---but I'd be almost as concerned that poor Americans of any ethnic background are underserved as a rule.  But then I'm one of those pesky people trying to figure out a way to nationalize healthcare without wrecking the system any more than it already is.

[And yes, I'm off on a tangent.  Sorry.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was coming here to note how enlightened I am this morning, going, &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with 11% of the population of clinical trials being black?  That&#8217;s about the percentage of blacks in the general population.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then I slapped myself, because you said 88.8% white, and I did the mental math while ignoring <em>every single other minority out there</em>.  I want to blame it on a lack of wakefulness, or perhaps environment, but &#8230; neither is terribly satisfying.  :sigh:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s selection bias, I&#8217;d expect, in the number of minorities who get into medical trials because of wealth and healthcare access disparities.  I&#8217;m fine with slicing such data along racial lines in an effort to make sure that underserved groups get treatment and study&#8212;there&#8217;s enough data to suggest that race has enough genetic difference to affect how diseases operate&#8212;but I&#8217;d be almost as concerned that poor Americans of any ethnic background are underserved as a rule.  But then I&#8217;m one of those pesky people trying to figure out a way to nationalize healthcare without wrecking the system any more than it already is.</p>
<p>[And yes, I'm off on a tangent.  Sorry.]</p>
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