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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* Point out spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, et cetera:

This tactic has a couple of likely effects.  First, it implies that you can't be bothered to even deign to discuss an issue with someone who is so inferior that they can't even spell correctly.  Secondly, there's a good chance you'll get to argue about spelling and/or grammar instead of whatever the real topic of discussion is.  There's lots of topic-hijacking maneuvers, but this one in particular seems especially popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Point out spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, et cetera:</p>
<p>This tactic has a couple of likely effects.  First, it implies that you can&#8217;t be bothered to even deign to discuss an issue with someone who is so inferior that they can&#8217;t even spell correctly.  Secondly, there&#8217;s a good chance you&#8217;ll get to argue about spelling and/or grammar instead of whatever the real topic of discussion is.  There&#8217;s lots of topic-hijacking maneuvers, but this one in particular seems especially popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Trip Hop Clan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How To Argue Badly in Many Easy Steps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trip Hop Clan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How To Argue Badly in Many Easy Steps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://granades.com/2007/06/04/how-to-argue-badly-in-many-easy-steps/ 13. “Let’s stop being PC.” A beautiful apologia for being a jerk. This is an argument full of emotional resonance. Everyone hates political correctness, right? Hell yeah they do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://granades.com/2007/06/04/how-to-argue-badly-in-many-easy-steps/" rel="nofollow">http://granades.com/2007/06/04/how-to-argue-badly-in-many-easy-steps/</a> 13. “Let’s stop being PC.” A beautiful apologia for being a jerk. This is an argument full of emotional resonance. Everyone hates political correctness, right? Hell yeah they do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Those are just arguments from emotion:&lt;/b&gt; The lazy man's &lt;i&gt;ad hominem,&lt;/i&gt; it doesn't even try to explain how your emotions are supposed to invalidate your argument. (Note: do not confuse this with the potentially legitimate &lt;i&gt;"You're arguing from emotion, not reason, and here's why"&lt;/i&gt; argument.)

Why this argument is stupid: the mere fact that your opponent has emotions has no necessary connection to the validity of his arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Those are just arguments from emotion:</b> The lazy man&#8217;s <i>ad hominem,</i> it doesn&#8217;t even try to explain how your emotions are supposed to invalidate your argument. (Note: do not confuse this with the potentially legitimate <i>&#8220;You&#8217;re arguing from emotion, not reason, and here&#8217;s why&#8221;</i> argument.)</p>
<p>Why this argument is stupid: the mere fact that your opponent has emotions has no necessary connection to the validity of his arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who say "This will get marked down" or "this won't be published" deserve for their predictions to come true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who say &#8220;This will get marked down&#8221; or &#8220;this won&#8217;t be published&#8221; deserve for their predictions to come true.</p>
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		<title>By: Ami Angelwings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ami Angelwings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG yus Ariella!

I even see that in major newspaper letter sections where the writer says "a left/right wing hack publication like yours will never publish my letter b/c you don't care about dissenting opinions!"

And then they get published, which is part of the plan all along &#62;.&#62;;;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG yus Ariella!</p>
<p>I even see that in major newspaper letter sections where the writer says &#8220;a left/right wing hack publication like yours will never publish my letter b/c you don&#8217;t care about dissenting opinions!&#8221;</p>
<p>And then they get published, which is part of the plan all along &gt;.&gt;;;</p>
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		<title>By: arielladrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>arielladrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar (not quite) thing to the 'downmodded' variant is the "this won't get through/this will probably get deleted/FREESPEECHOMG!eleventy" signifier on blogs where comments are moderated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar (not quite) thing to the &#8216;downmodded&#8217; variant is the &#8220;this won&#8217;t get through/this will probably get deleted/FREESPEECHOMG!eleventy&#8221; signifier on blogs where comments are moderated</p>
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		<title>By: Confluence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confluence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. :)

It doesn't come up on blogs, but on forums where comments can be rated by users, "I know this is an unpopular opinion, but…" has the particularly obnoxious variant "I know I'm going to get downmodded for this, but…", with the requisite whinging about how oppressed people expressing this opinion are on said forum.

It guarantees an insta-downmod from me. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. <img src='http://granades.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t come up on blogs, but on forums where comments can be rated by users, &#8220;I know this is an unpopular opinion, but…&#8221; has the particularly obnoxious variant &#8220;I know I&#8217;m going to get downmodded for this, but…&#8221;, with the requisite whinging about how oppressed people expressing this opinion are on said forum.</p>
<p>It guarantees an insta-downmod from me. <img src='http://granades.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Maura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABSOLUTELY Perfect! (In my opinion....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABSOLUTELY Perfect! (In my opinion&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ami Angelwings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ami Angelwings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you people need to realize is...

This is a great post :D

I think you summed everything up very nicely here :)  

I think another example for the "if you don't like it, make your own" argument is if you're the victim of say, police brutality, and when you complain, you're told "well if you don't like it, why don't you become an officer?"

It doesn't help, and honestly why should the onus be on the victim to do the other person's job?  That argument taken to it's logical conclusion would say that nobody is responsible for anything, and nobody can complain or expect other ppl to be helped to any sorts of standards.  And if you dun have certain skills, then you're just screwed XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you people need to realize is&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a great post <img src='http://granades.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think you summed everything up very nicely here <img src='http://granades.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I think another example for the &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like it, make your own&#8221; argument is if you&#8217;re the victim of say, police brutality, and when you complain, you&#8217;re told &#8220;well if you don&#8217;t like it, why don&#8217;t you become an officer?&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t help, and honestly why should the onus be on the victim to do the other person&#8217;s job?  That argument taken to it&#8217;s logical conclusion would say that nobody is responsible for anything, and nobody can complain or expect other ppl to be helped to any sorts of standards.  And if you dun have certain skills, then you&#8217;re just screwed XD</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT post! My favorites are the "If you don't like it..." and the "there are more important things..."  I've seen those used a LOT lately and they're just so illogica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT post! My favorites are the &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like it&#8230;&#8221; and the &#8220;there are more important things&#8230;&#8221;  I&#8217;ve seen those used a LOT lately and they&#8217;re just so illogica.</p>
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