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		<title>By: RlC mais ROFL quand même.</title>
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		<dc:creator>RlC mais ROFL quand même.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commence avec un physicien, Stephen Granade, qui poste sur son blog un billet intitulé &#8220;How To Generate Scientific Controversy&#8220;. Granade se fout de la gueule des anti-vaccionistes et de leur stratégie éprouvée pour [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] commence avec un physicien, Stephen Granade, qui poste sur son blog un billet intitulé &#8220;How To Generate Scientific Controversy&#8220;. Granade se fout de la gueule des anti-vaccionistes et de leur stratégie éprouvée pour [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RlC mais ROFL quand même. &#171; Coffee and Sci(ence)</title>
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		<dc:creator>RlC mais ROFL quand même. &#171; Coffee and Sci(ence)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commence avec un physicien, Stephen Granade, qui poste sur son blog un billet intitulé &#8220;How To Generate Scientific Controversy&#8220;. Granade se fout de la gueule des anti-vaccionistes et de leur stratégie éprouvée pour [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] commence avec un physicien, Stephen Granade, qui poste sur son blog un billet intitulé &#8220;How To Generate Scientific Controversy&#8220;. Granade se fout de la gueule des anti-vaccionistes et de leur stratégie éprouvée pour [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lousy Canuck &#187; How to make a Manufactroversy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lousy Canuck &#187; How to make a Manufactroversy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of rationality, science, and the evidence? Here&#8217;s a quick and easy four-step guide on how to create a scientific controversy, fabricated from whole cloth; and another, more in-depth guide on how to build an anti-vax-like [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kate McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grant you that vaccine manufacturers cannot be excused from the unpardonable capitalistic iniquity of wanting to turn a profit.   
[List of companies that DON&#039;T want to turn a profit] ... Umm.... [/list] 
And I fully agree would be disingenuous to assert that corporations don&#039;t vie to control public awareness.
[List of nonprofits, celebrities, universities, celebrities, and human beings  who NEVER angle for spin] ....cricket, cricket... [/list]
So... I&#039;m not sure how this makes vaccine manufacturers any different than Ugg -Australia, Amnesty International, Carol Channing, Duke University, or the crazy cat lady who lives up the street from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grant you that vaccine manufacturers cannot be excused from the unpardonable capitalistic iniquity of wanting to turn a profit.<br />
[List of companies that DON'T want to turn a profit] &#8230; Umm&#8230;. [/list]<br />
And I fully agree would be disingenuous to assert that corporations don&#8217;t vie to control public awareness.<br />
[List of nonprofits, celebrities, universities, celebrities, and human beings  who NEVER angle for spin] &#8230;.cricket, cricket&#8230; [/list]<br />
So&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure how this makes vaccine manufacturers any different than Ugg -Australia, Amnesty International, Carol Channing, Duke University, or the crazy cat lady who lives up the street from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sven,

My approach was certainly based on a concrete controversy: do vaccines cause autism? It was to a large degree set off by a man who was paid by barristers looking to sue MMR vaccine manufacturers, and Wakefield cherry-picked his data to arrive at the vaccines-and-autism link. Thimerosal was fingered as the likely culprit, though follow-up studies failed to show the link, inasmuch as you can prove a negative. As these studies have been published, those looking for the link between autism and vaccines have moved to new causes, with some such as Jenny McCarthy saying, in effect, it was never about the thimerosal.

Part of my frustration is that there needs to be a good debate about vaccines. Every vaccine carries with it a risk, and it&#039;s hard enough sorting through the data and factoring in that companies producing vaccines have money riding on us using them without a lot of chaff thrown into the mix. Arguments such as those produced by the most vocal of the anti-vaccine crowd do little but polarize, so that those who might have been willing to have a thoughtful discussion of vaccines and their dangers feel they have no choice but to support vaccines completely in hopes of keeping the population above the herd immunity limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sven,</p>
<p>My approach was certainly based on a concrete controversy: do vaccines cause autism? It was to a large degree set off by a man who was paid by barristers looking to sue MMR vaccine manufacturers, and Wakefield cherry-picked his data to arrive at the vaccines-and-autism link. Thimerosal was fingered as the likely culprit, though follow-up studies failed to show the link, inasmuch as you can prove a negative. As these studies have been published, those looking for the link between autism and vaccines have moved to new causes, with some such as Jenny McCarthy saying, in effect, it was never about the thimerosal.</p>
<p>Part of my frustration is that there needs to be a good debate about vaccines. Every vaccine carries with it a risk, and it&#8217;s hard enough sorting through the data and factoring in that companies producing vaccines have money riding on us using them without a lot of chaff thrown into the mix. Arguments such as those produced by the most vocal of the anti-vaccine crowd do little but polarize, so that those who might have been willing to have a thoughtful discussion of vaccines and their dangers feel they have no choice but to support vaccines completely in hopes of keeping the population above the herd immunity limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, thanks for not going the ad-hominem abusive route - the person whose link I followed to this site off facebook wasn&#039;t able to resist. You&#039;re right, I am continuing an argument I have had with others, most notably on the vaccine issue, since I thought this post would most likely refer to actual concrete controversy rather than scientists arguing over the real reasons why they can&#039;t get their toy particle accelerator to fire up.

To Kate, I have studied scientific research methodology at postgraduate level. I understand how science works, but as someone who also has a background in social research I also have an appreciation of how &#039;truth&#039; (scientific or otherwise) is increasingly becoming something that is sold to the highest bidder. 

If you don&#039;t understand the vested interest pharmaceutical companies have in selling their products (with vaccines a particularly profitable pursuit) then you are the one demonstrating the most common way Americans fail to understand their reality - that almost everything around them has been subverted or co-opted by commercial interests. I suggest you go have a look at the links between pharma investors, the mass media, the FDA and the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, thanks for not going the ad-hominem abusive route &#8211; the person whose link I followed to this site off facebook wasn&#8217;t able to resist. You&#8217;re right, I am continuing an argument I have had with others, most notably on the vaccine issue, since I thought this post would most likely refer to actual concrete controversy rather than scientists arguing over the real reasons why they can&#8217;t get their toy particle accelerator to fire up.</p>
<p>To Kate, I have studied scientific research methodology at postgraduate level. I understand how science works, but as someone who also has a background in social research I also have an appreciation of how &#8216;truth&#8217; (scientific or otherwise) is increasingly becoming something that is sold to the highest bidder. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand the vested interest pharmaceutical companies have in selling their products (with vaccines a particularly profitable pursuit) then you are the one demonstrating the most common way Americans fail to understand their reality &#8211; that almost everything around them has been subverted or co-opted by commercial interests. I suggest you go have a look at the links between pharma investors, the mass media, the FDA and the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate:

To be fair, humans overall are bad at risk assessment. We overemphasize rare risks and downplay common ones. Decoupling correlation from causation is also hard for us -- we&#039;re pattern-matching machines. That serves us well in some cases, and not so well in others (hi there, face on Mars!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>To be fair, humans overall are bad at risk assessment. We overemphasize rare risks and downplay common ones. Decoupling correlation from causation is also hard for us &#8212; we&#8217;re pattern-matching machines. That serves us well in some cases, and not so well in others (hi there, face on Mars!).</p>
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		<title>By: How it always starts &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>How it always starts &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] modeling his strategy after the anti-vaccination campaigns, Stephen explains how to cobble up your own homemade controversy on just about any subject. All you have to do is ignore all the evidence and invent a non-existent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kate McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ll pardon the vast overgeneralization, Americans of our day suck at math and science.  They don&#039;t really understand the concept of relative risk (mathematical probabilities), nor do they understand the difference between association and cause-and-effect (science.)  If it&#039;s raining, and you hear frogs, it ain&#039;t necessarily raining frogs.   
Sven reveals confusion of the latter here: &quot;...the remainder of scientific controversy is generated when individuals and their relatives experience the negative effects of supposedly safe and proven scientific advances. Think the family of a child who developed Guillian Barre syndrome after recieving a vaccine. &quot;   
And that&#039;s exactly it -- a child (or an adult) developing GBS after a vaccine doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that there&#039;s been a negative side effect of the vaccine.  The kid may have eaten a peanut butter and banana sandwich hours before developing the first paresthesia, but I don&#039;t see anybody vilifying Jif and Dole.    The plural of anecdote is not data.  
Stephen - don&#039;t forget #5, &quot;Promote individual choice.  Encourage all right-thinking individuals to evaluate the issue for themselves.&quot;  The thing that slays me is that vaccine refusers have no concept of the public health implications of their decisions. If you don&#039;t buckle up your kids in car seats, I&#039;ll have to support your bad decision with my healthcare dollars as your kids get lifelong therapies for their TBI.  But other than that, your decision impacts me very little.  But failure to immunize your kids against highly contagious diseases like measles, pertussis, and influenza affects everybody at Wal-Mart.  Hence the worst mumps epidemic in several years currently playing out in New York state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ll pardon the vast overgeneralization, Americans of our day suck at math and science.  They don&#8217;t really understand the concept of relative risk (mathematical probabilities), nor do they understand the difference between association and cause-and-effect (science.)  If it&#8217;s raining, and you hear frogs, it ain&#8217;t necessarily raining frogs.<br />
Sven reveals confusion of the latter here: &#8220;&#8230;the remainder of scientific controversy is generated when individuals and their relatives experience the negative effects of supposedly safe and proven scientific advances. Think the family of a child who developed Guillian Barre syndrome after recieving a vaccine. &#8221;<br />
And that&#8217;s exactly it &#8212; a child (or an adult) developing GBS after a vaccine doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that there&#8217;s been a negative side effect of the vaccine.  The kid may have eaten a peanut butter and banana sandwich hours before developing the first paresthesia, but I don&#8217;t see anybody vilifying Jif and Dole.    The plural of anecdote is not data.<br />
Stephen &#8211; don&#8217;t forget #5, &#8220;Promote individual choice.  Encourage all right-thinking individuals to evaluate the issue for themselves.&#8221;  The thing that slays me is that vaccine refusers have no concept of the public health implications of their decisions. If you don&#8217;t buckle up your kids in car seats, I&#8217;ll have to support your bad decision with my healthcare dollars as your kids get lifelong therapies for their TBI.  But other than that, your decision impacts me very little.  But failure to immunize your kids against highly contagious diseases like measles, pertussis, and influenza affects everybody at Wal-Mart.  Hence the worst mumps epidemic in several years currently playing out in New York state.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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